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22 April 2025 - 6:45pm
The Intellectual Dark Web is at war. Douglas Murray has been fighting with Joe Rogan and comedian Dave Smith over Palestine and Second World War revisionism. In response, Triggernometry host Konstantin Kisin has published a video and article defending Murray’s arguments from expertise and personal experience. Kisin cites the increasingly poor quality of public debate as evidence that he was mistaken in the core “anti-woke” contention that open debate always tends toward truth. Bret Weinstein has since weighed in, lamenting that Murray and Kisin have become what they once opposed.
So with Kisin counter-signalling open debate, and Murray arguing from authority, is the IDW giving up on its core precepts? What does all of this mean, beyond the trivial insight that commentators don’t always agree among themselves? In brief: that the battle to defend the print-era worldview against its digital successor is over — and print lost.
The IDW is a nexus of commentators that emerged in the 2010s to challenge the solidifying “woke” consensus on topics such as gender and academic freedom. Usually emphasising rationality, open debate and free speech, this caucus sought to defend the classical liberal worldview in an increasingly censorious and “post-truth” climate. But this typically did not include much consideration of the enabling terms of thought or discussion itself — least of all, of the media within which these take place.
And yet these have long been understood to play a crucial role in public life. Among the IxDW commentators, Kisin appears most attuned to this reality, citing Marshall McLuhan’s “the medium is the message” in his video. The reference is apt: of all 20th-century writers on technology, McLuhan is among those most attuned to its mind-altering effects. But in this context, a still more salient voice is surely the literary theorist Walter J. Ong.
In 1982’s Orality and Literacy, Ong theorised that literacy is so profoundly mind-altering that it “restructures consciousness”. Confined to a relatively small elite until the late Middle Ages, following the invention of the printing press this consciousness revolution spread, by degrees, to a majority of Western populations. As documented by historian Elizabeth Eisenstein, this had far-reaching disruptive consequences including the Reformation, the Thirty Years’ War, the modern nation-state settlement, and the scientific and industrial revolutions.
Taken together, these changes have tended to be narrated in hindsight as self-evidently positive, irreversible progress — what the historian Herbert Butterfield called “Whig history”. This settlement is also, broadly speaking, what IDW advocates gesture at when they use terms such as “classical liberalism” and “Western civilisation”.
But Whig history’s “moral progress” can also be seen as a paradigm dependent on print. Early commentators on the digital revolution tended to assume that this would simply accelerate the existing trajectory of the print revolution, and thus continue Whig history. Yet Kisin is right to express a newfound ambivalence about that core print-era value, free debate, for the simple reason that existing evidence suggests the digital revolution is not extending but reversing many aspects of the print paradigm.
In 1982 Ong posited the emergence, with television and radio, of “secondary orality”: that is, people who can read but choose not to. However, this secondary orality emerged fully not with TV and radio in the 20th century, but with the digital revolution of the 21st: a reality with far-reaching effects already noted by educators and intelligence researchers . Its effects are also already political, as the November 2024 “podcast election” attests.
Kisin is on the right track with the title of his essay: “Podcastistan”. This implies a polity of spoken-word rather than written debate; in other words, one of secondary orality. And we can expect such a polity to hew more closely in character and outlook to oral than to literate cultures. For example, as Ong puts it, whereas writing “separates the knower from the known and thus sets up conditions for ‘objectivity’”, in an oral culture “learning or knowing means achieving close, empathetic, communal identification with the known”. Or, as Kisin says of podcast politics, “words do not have meanings, they have feelings”.
The problem for IDW members is that their core paradigm always presupposed the culture enabled and propagated by mass print literacy. But that culture has essentially been killed off by the digital medium within which many (now arguably ex-)IDW figures such as Kisin and Murray continue to thrive, along with sense-makers native to the new secondary orality, such as Rogan.
The tragedy of the IDW is that what its members stood for was, at the time of the group’s formation, already in the process of disappearing. This spate of infighting reveals which of its members have grasped this — and which are still defending a position whose ground is dissolving beneath them.
