'The tragedy is that the pro-H-1B faction is arguably correct.' Brandon Bell/Getty Images

Even before his return to the Oval Office, the coalition that allowed Trump to win the election is fracturing. It is still too early to tell just how serious the rift caused by the H-1B visa row really is. But what’s truly shocking is just how quickly and how dramatically the onset of serious internal conflicts within MAGA has been. Even the more cynical observer would have probably been inclined to give Trump until the 2026 midterms before the presidential honeymoon was over; now it seems in trouble a full month before the presidential term has even started.
At the heart of this growing rupture are the two figures who just a short while ago were feted as genius reformers by much of the MAGA Right: Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk. Though Trump has always displayed an uncanny ability to walk away from controversy pretty much unscathed, the same cannot be said of Vivek and Elon. And while neither actually started this controversy, both have chosen to jump into the fray to become principal spokespeople for the pro-H-1B Silicon Valley set, thereby confirming the fears on the MAGA Right that Trump is about to “sell out” on immigration.
To say that this is a serious conflict is an understatement. In truth, the use — and abuse — of H-1B visas is about as hated by the Republican voting base as America’s tacit acceptance of illegal immigration as a way to dump working class wages. Musk and Ramaswamy are happy to regale us with stories about H-1B visas being crucial in order to draw in “the best and brightest” to America so that it can compete with China. But neither will publicly acknowledge the H-1B programme’s most important and beguiling feature for American employers.
Because the key feature of the H-1B visa is not that it offers American employers and companies such as Tesla and SpaceX a chance to attract the world’s best and brightest. In fact, that function is already being fulfilled by the O-1 visa, which specifically exists to do just this job. The O-1 offers individuals with “extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics” a chance to work inside the United States; unlike the H-1B, the O-1 has no element of lottery to it, nor is it capped.
But the O-1 visa is meant for individuals; it can be used to bring over Nobel Prize winners and computer geniuses, and to secure one, you (or your employer) has to actually demonstrate that you possess some sort of extraordinary ability. H-1B, by contrast, offers access to a far larger number of far more ordinary workers. And these workers, once they arrive inside the United States, have almost zero bargaining power with their employer, because their visa is tied directly to their employment. An American programmer who is asked to work unpaid overtime cannot be deported from the country for saying “no”. A programmer brought over on a H-1B visa can; this makes him a far less demanding person to employ.
This is not a big secret. As far back as in 2015, the way in which the H-1B program was being used to essentially replace American workers with indentured foreigners was well known. To take just one example, tech workers employed by Disney came to work one morning to find that they were all going to be fired. Their last task was to train their replacements, brought over courtesy of the H-1B program. So much for “best and brightest” rhetoric. When Wernher von Braun or Albert Einstein came to America, they did so because they were the trainers, not the trainees.
As the H-1B controversy has intensified, many Silicon Valley grandees — such as megadonor and billionaire David Sacks — have tried to defuse it by appealing to the idea of a grander common interest. Sure, maybe Silicon Valley and MAGA Main Street can’t actually agree on H-1B visas, but that has nothing to do with the issue of illegal immigration. But this framing is a sleight of hand, because both sorts of workers are essentially the same: functionally indentured servants, with very limited economic and political rights. And it is the end product here — the destruction of American living standards through the growing use of indentured foreign labour — that people are actually fed up with, not the legality or illegality of that process.
The real question here is not “does America need Einstein?” The actual core contradiction that is now tearing apart Donald Trump’s fusion of Main Street, middle-class populists on one hand, and billionaire CEOs on the other, can more succinctly be put as: “Does America need indentured labour?” Indentured labour force already exists for blue-collar work, which is why the Republican Party has never shown much interest in cracking down on large institutional employers of illegal immigrants. Now, the time has come for white-collar workers to be subjected to similar competition.
The tragedy is that the pro-H-1B faction is arguably correct, at least from their own point of view. If “America” really wants to “compete with China and Russia”, and if it really wants to “win against China”, H-1B visas are probably necessary. In this view, the expansion of all manners of legal or illegal channels of labour arbitrage is all but inevitable, and the deterioration of founding-stock American living standards is not just unavoidable, it is in fact necessary. It is necessary, because what is meant here by “America” is not a country for or by the American people. The “America” that can only “win against China” through large scale labour importation is not America the people: but America the empire.
And America today truly is an empire. If you put all the foreign military bases of China, Russia, India and Iran together, the sum total barely reaches two dozen. America, by contrast, has between 700 and 800. But it is visibly struggling to maintain those bases: its ships are rusting, its military recruitment is collapsing, its industrial base is rotten, and its finances are spiraling out of control. This effectively means that, in the natural lifecycle of empires, America is now firmly in the decline phase. That shouldn’t be controversial, especially because the amount of people who would protest that characterisation — at least off the record — inside Washington itself is very visibly dwindling.
Thus, America finds itself in the same situation as pretty much every other empire on the decline, where it becomes increasingly necessary to cannibalise the very population that served as its original creators. Take the Roman Empire, which was carried by Roman martial virtue in the beginning and ended with half-barbarian generals commanding mostly barbarian soldiers, fighting to keep “Rome” going. Stilicho, the last effective general Rome had, was executed in 408. By 410, Alaric I and his Visigoths had sacked Rome. Of course, just a few years earlier, Stilicho and Alaric had been comrades in arms inside the Roman army.
The reasons the Romans trotted out for needing Alaric were more or less the same as what you’ll find being said in America nowadays. Rome had a recruitment crisis; Romans no longer had a proper work ethic; Rome needed to attract the best and brightest (or at least the strongest and toughest) if it wanted to compete in the world. The Roman people were a spent force; to keep “their” empire going, the actual Roman people were slowly replaced piecemeal until they essentially ceased to exist.
In the same way, the Ottoman Empire collapsed in large part because the Turks felt they were being bled dry in order to defend a sick and decrepit order that would replace them all in a heartbeat if that’s what it took to keep the state going for a bit longer. Before he was assassinated, in 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir presumptive to what was once just called the Austrian Empire, planned to save it by transforming it into a sprawling federation in which the Austrians would just be a minor group among many. Talk to a Russian nationalist today, and it won’t take much cajoling to find that their most common cause of resentment toward the Soviet Union was how it — at least in their view — would put ordinary Russians last to prop up a global imperial project. No matter how far back we turn the clock, the story is always the same. Now, the time has come for the Americans.
One of the most aggressive preachers of this message — that the time has come for Americans to wake up and smell the coffee — has been Vivek Ramaswamy. He was, at one point, seen as a dutiful lieutenant to the broader MAGA movement; now he might have become its most loathed bête noire. In a very long post on X, Ramaswamy said the time had come for the American people to stop watching reruns of Friends, hanging out at the mall, and sending their girls to sleepover parties. No, such frivolous activities were no longer sufficient in today’s competitive world: if America wanted to “beat China”, the American people would have to become more Asian themselves, working far longer hours and subjecting their children to study regimens similar to Japan or South Korea. The fact that these cultures have collapsing birthrates and are essentially going extinct from stress and overwork did not earn much consideration from Ramaswamy; presumably, once that happens in America, the difference can simply be made up by even more immigration.
Even if this H-1B visa controversy blows over, it won’t solve the basic conflict within the MAGA coalition. For their slogan “Make America Great Again” represents an essential contradiction: there are at least two “Americas” being talked about. If, on the one hand, you mean the American people, then replacing these workers with Indians, or sending US military helicopters to the Middle East, instead of dispatching them to North Carolina for disaster relief, is anathema. If, on the other, you care about the survival of the American empire, then the demands of “legacy” Americans really do come across as increasingly petty: these people won’t even sign up for the military anymore, and yet they have the gall to complain at the idea of bringing in foreigners to serve as replacement legionnaires in their stead?
Sure, “Make America Great Again” is a great political slogan. But it is also one that Donald Trump and many people may come to regret, because it has long masked what is now exploding out into the open. There were always two Americas, two conceptions of the future hidden beneath those words. Today, each side in this fight is increasingly finding that the other’s conception of “America” is not just offensive, it is completely irreconcilable with their own. That, too, is a very old human story. These kinds of basic, definitional disagreements about the purpose or nature of a polity should be taken very seriously: they are, at the end of the day, why civil wars actually happen.
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SubscribeThis might be the most manufactured drama of all time. We’re talking about a wonky tweet debate between elites before Trump even takes office. The alternative is the Democratic Party.
Is it the Author’s opinion that the Democratic Party would handle the situation better? Or should we just be electing Democrats to continue managing America’s decline?
The Democrats aren’t allowed to publicly challenge each other when in power because they believe all dissent threatens solidarity. Maybe the Democrats were onto something with their censorship regime. It minimized public debate and public debate apparently creates openings for “Feud Narratives.”
Word.
Ya. I thought this was more than a bit hyperbolic. America has issues no question, but so does China and Russia.
They do, but they’re not relevant to this discussion. I wouldn’t expect to read about a domestic spat about American visas in an article about China’s falling birth rate or looming real estate bubble for instance
‘Wonky tweet debate’ – you wish. I suspect you are waking up slowly and uncomfortably.
The deflection on Democrats irrelevant. They aren’t in power now having to square all the slogans and promises made. They share some blame though for having the enabled this coming chaos
This is just more confected wishful thinking.
Like most Americans Trump has always been in favour of legal immigration and has said so repeatedly. The issue is open borders gerrymandering.
Absolutely he is – if it reduces his costs and is indentured. Unfortunately key MAGA people like Steve Bannon are not.
They have common ground on ‘illegals’ but Trump/Elon showing where they aren’t going to invest in American skill development and will import more from elsewhere for those high tech jobs. And then over time who’d you think will be running things? This is what Bannon is saying has to stop.
Awkward picking a side isn’t it, esp when you thought they were on the same side.
Mate, I feel you’re reading into an argument on Twitter a bit too much. Musk is looking for cheap labour to compete against the Chinese state sponsored companies, hardly a surprise. MAGA hillbillies (no disrespect meant with that term) don’t like the idea of foreign workers undercutting American workers. Luckily Elon isn’t the president and Trump will hardly consider this little flare up high up in his priority list.
Still, enjoyed the article, cheers.
I think the bigger issue is that Trump has seemingly come down in support of Musk rather than the grass roots that elected him. Whether he can wriggle his way out of it we’ll wait and see but to embroiled in such a row before you’ve even started the job must be some kind of record
There’s no row here. Both sides have calmed down after Elon Musk’s Twitter tirade and are looking for common ground. I think they’ll find it. Everyone knows the H1-B program is being abused (I know from personal experience) but everyone also accepts that we need to attract top talent (like the Elon Musks of the world, who was himself an illegal immigrant before getting an H1-B visa).
There’s no row? Did you read the avalanche of racial anti-Indian abuse that was triggered. Why’d you think Elon blocked Loomer (who’s 1.5 MAGA subscribers)?
As Article outlines this wasn’t about the v best v top talent. H-1B been about undermining the requirement to invest in Americans and stop employees complaining too much. Welcome to Trump World.
I think the ‘state sponsoring’ is a poor argument against China since many big Westerns companies are also subsidized to a large degree. Either directly or through monetary policies like QE. Furthermore they are often protected against market discipline as well.
The abiding irony of UnHerd is that there is an UnHerd Herd. They think they are iconoclasts. Their opinions cluster tightly together.Here they come for this article.
The usual suspects will be along soon to denounce it and claim these visas don’t in fact undercut American workers but only bring in the next Einstein and Newton, despite a ton of evidence to the contrary.
Anything that doesn’t slavishly praise Trump, Musk and co must be attacked as they’re unable to accept any criticism of their preferred side
No, I think there’s plenty to criticize if you qualify your criticism.
Acknowledge that the Trump/Musk/Ramaswamy/Kennedyand Gabbard alliance has more good ideas than probably anyone else in the western world right now and maybe you have a point. These are people able to vehemently disagree and still work together.
Who do you respect Billy Bob? You criticize often but never put forth any names you think are offering better ideas. I’m no fan of Nietzsche but when he talked about Ressentiment, he was on to something.
As I say, I’m critical of Trump for running on a pro nativist ticket then seemingly dumping the electorate and siding with his billionaire backers at the first opportunity. I’ve seen nothing to suggest those people do vehemently disagree with each other, they all merely disagree with those that put them into power.
As for who I respect, it’s not something I have for people I’ve never met (with the exception of those who have committed acts of extreme bravery, such as storming the beaches at D Day). I can agree and disagree with people and their opinions on a given subject, but respect is something completely different, and certainly not something I have for any politician
I suspect that even Elon, Vivek & RJK jnr don’t agree with Gabbard’s ‘Assad is a true friend of the US’.
The problem on the ‘good ideas’ is – for ‘who’.
Trump aside at least 3 of your 4 names not part of the administration by this time next year. It’s not really an outlandish suggestion is it given Trump’s record.
Wasn’t Oppenheimer US born?
Yes
Maybe he meant John von Neumann, a Hungarian immigrant to the US who was a much more influential scientist than Robert Oppenheimer.
Yep gradual awakening. The Trump coalition contradictions were always going to pull it apart and this is just the start. Wait til they get onto tax code changes the Billionaires want!
The Author doesn’t quote the visceral vitriol that Musk and Bannon chucked at each other. That doesn’t get forgotten by either. Egos way too big. Loomer and Ramaswamy are next tier down but the racial tinge to both their messages shows deep fractures.
Trump needs money so he leans towards Musk. He uses H-2b to staff Mar-a-Lago too. (He’s probably got mixed up and doesn’t know the difference). But this is also just the start of the succession battle. MAGA base will realise they’ve been had and start to think v seriously about where they go next. JD the obvious but Trump will detest any indications of this.
To add to the fractures they’ll be blood on the floor this week in the House simply trying elect a Speaker and then raise the debt ceiling. Otherwise the money for all the Deportation strategy ain’t flowing. Who intervened to block Johnson’s last attempt? Yep, Elon.
However thought the Author’s historical analogies stretching things. The essentiality of slavery to the US economy was promulgated by significant number for the first 8 decades of the US. The same sort of thing was said about workers rights during the rampant capitalism of Rockefeller, Morgan, Carnegie et al. Yet the US rose to true dominance after WW2. Capitalism is stronger when it’s society’s are less unequal and everyone given a ‘fair shake’.
JD Vance has a lot of growing to do if he wants to win a leadership role of anything. So far his career path has been unimpressive. He has a lot of talent, but not in the things that would support a rise to the top ranks of the Republican party. He’s too much a lawyer, too much an author, too much a person who is good with words but not good at getting anything done.
Wouldn’t say his path unimpressive. He’s the VP of the most powerful nation in the World. Not many of us get there do we. He has the Hillbilly backstory that have some benefits. But is he heir-apparent material? We’ll see where the money moves within 6mths and then how Trump and his Sons react. Word was JD Elon’s boy and his suggestion, so that may sink him with MAGA et al.
Your “gradual awakening” riff is so much clutching at straws. Nothing has actually happened yet, just the usual round of media hype (this article included) which you’re clinging onto with a lessening grip of credibility the more you insist on it.
At this rate, you’ll need a padded cell to retreat to when the real action starts. I’d ‘fear’ for your health, but it’s actually rather amusing.
You can’t be paying much attention LL. A big row between the 2 main constituents of the Trump coalition over immigration policy, and the rejection by the House of Trump’s request to extend the debt ceiling in part to fund his immigration policy, (partly down to Elon’s intervention too), aren’t nothing. Neither was the withdrawal of his pick for AG due to sexual misconduct. It’s just the start as I say. I suspect you aren’t watching closely enough.
jw, the morbid attention of the entire msm has been focused on Trump for the past decade, and you’ve swallowed the nonsense whole, whilst now appearing to be coming back for more.
Rather than an “awakening”, it’s yawn-inducing. Seriously, for the sake of your own mental health, give up the pretence that he’s a danger to anyone but those who’d do harm to the US. His record in his first term shows precisely that. I take note of the real world, not the one you’d like to exist.
You’re lingering far too long in the denial stage. Time to move on to acceptance. The neo-liberal party is over. It ain’t coming back.
Usually I criticize commentators for making complex issues too simple. Here I think this author makes a simple issue too complex. The debate about H1-B visas has been going on for decades, long before the term MAGA had meaning. It’s not that important an issue, and certainly not a portending factor of a complex event like the dying of the American empire or a civil war. It’s just a simple issue that will matter little either way.
H1-B will rumble on because it is also about the under-supply of technical talent as outputs from the US education system. That makes it an easy political win. Tighten up the rules on H1-B. Refocus educational expenditure to prioritise technical subjects over the humanities.
Then, remembering that Trump, Musk and Ramaswamy are all practical production people (they make things), perhaps require that all budget holding government administrators have a minimum level of maths/accounting qualifications and training in production management, so they know how to spend money efficiently and get things done. If you re-balance education, then you can start to build a government that employs more people with skills in engineering than in lawyering and nitpicking.
It’s a bit early to declare the populist movement defeated less than two months after they won the election and before any policy has yet been laid down. Also, any argument on the Internet at any given time may bear little to no resemblance to the real opinions of the grassroots. Most of Trump’s core voters aren’t even on X. I’m not convinced this is anything more than an ordinary intraparty political squabble that is being played out in public because these days it seems everything must be played out in public whether anyone thinks its a good idea or not. When the rubber hits the road and actual policies get put in place, that’s when the real reaction, if there’s going to be one, will come, and that’s when Trump will simply reverse himself if he feels he needs to as he has so many times before.
That said, this is a plausible faultline over the longer term. The reality is that Trump can’t run again, so the fight over succession of the movement is already starting. Elon Musk isn’t a native born American so he can’t run for President, but there’s a whole host of politicians now waiting for an opening to distinguish themselves. The tech bros have the same problem that the rest of corporate America has, Americans hate their bosses, they hate corporations that micromanage from one or the other coast, and they hate being lectured about the competitive global economy. Anything that comes exclusively from big money is going to be rejected by the people. I’ve been making the point for weeks that Trump owes his popularity and his victory to just how much animus there is from the people towards the corporations and the super rich. There’s so much in fact that their support for a candidate is a net negative. Musk enjoyed a momentary acceptance from the right for what he did with twitter and is probably trying to play that for all its worth. Whether he will get his way on H1B visas is debatable. It really depends on the grassroots reaction. Trump isn’t the problem. It’s that the elites have lost control of the Republican party. Now that Trump has shown the way, it won’t be hard for the next populist opportunist outsider to show up and finish what’s been started. There’s a whole host of politicians probably hoping desperately that this visa row is a legitimate fracture because it opens the opportunity for them to declare Trump a sellout and take over the movement.
Vivek has probably torpedoed any chance he had to succeed the movement. Asking Americans to be more Asian is going to go over like a lead balloon. The reality is that the Chinese people are slaves to a totalitarian government.. The answer to defeat such a state cannot be to recreate slave conditions in other ways. If we can’t do any better than that, maybe we should just let the Chinese win. Then their citizens can pay for all those bases all over the planet and the navy to keep the sea lanes open and all that other stuff. America can get along well enough with what it has on its own soil and in this hemisphere. Seriously folks. There are an awful lot of Americans that wouldn’t object to just closing all those bases down and pocketing the money, to heck with the global economy.
The thing about empires is when they fall, they pull a lot of stuff down with them. The fall of Rome resulted in a dark age in Europe that lasted almost a thousand years. There’s never been an empire on the scale of the US’s and the globe is interconnected as never before. If the US falls, how much other stuff gets sucked into the void when it collapses? Can anyone say they have any idea what the world would look like afterwards? Does anyone want to see that? I think this author should be more careful what he wishes for.
The issue for the Republican party is can they get much done next couple of years whoever they are beholden to? We’ll get a sense v quickly. They could lose the tiny majorities they hold in 2 yrs time and the current disagreements don’t need to be down the middle to cause legislative gridlock.
Winning through the amplification and effective channelling of rage and governing effectively are quite different tasks as we all know by now. There’s a reason Trump never built the Wall or replaced Obamacare.
Agree the Fall of Rome angle was well overplayed.
There’s no denying the cost arbitrage that American tech benefits from with these so-called ‘indentured workers’. From what I know, however, these are far from sweat-shop operations. The middle ground could be to introduce some limit on H1-B. Freakish curbs will simply result in off-shoring of jobs like it happened in manufacturing.
There already are limits on H1-B visas, even by country. Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy want to lift those limits, and Steve Bannon and Lara Loomer want to eliminate program.
There is still room to compromise, but the current middle ground doesn’t seem to satisfy either side.
This, in its own terms, is a good essay about the MAGA/H1B controversy but it leaves one huge dimension out of account. It frames that controversy in purely economic/transactional terms…..(the disjuncture between the economic interests of American workers on the one hand and American capital on the other).
The dimension it leaves out is the huge, immigration-driving phenomenon of the bogus Social Justice religion that has been sheep-dipped into tens of millions of tertiary-educated middle class Americans….(without which the Democratic Party would have struggled to have got 20% of the vote in the last election rather than the near 50% they actually got). I discuss this missing dimension here: https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/globalism-vs-national-conservatism
When you’ve bought into the Social Justice Religion – DEI, post-colonial guilt-tripping, gender mind-bending and all – economic interests (anybody’s economic interests) takes a back seat and what matters is your phoney sense that you are one of the virtuous ones and not one of those terrible Right wing ‘deplorables’.
I think there are many major fundamental flaws in the entire worldview of people like Ramaswamy and also with the historical comparisons of the author. First, Americans and people in the West should consider that their major problem is not lazy workers but lazy billionaires, charlatan oligarchs and incompetent leaders. They – not all of them but many – have not produced much since the late 70s besides financial bubbles which eventually caused the 2008 crisis. They have been on trillions of dollars of central bank welfare ever since. Because of all that free money after 2008, and also the pandemic, equity funds and assets management firms now rival the GDP of nations. And what do they do with it? Rent seeking, often literally by buying up family homes and doubling the rent. Using public money to extract even more public money. It adds nothing to the economy. Even when it does produce ‘innovative’ companies we have seen so many cases where it was just a Ponzi in hindsight. This is really the major problem.
Furthermore, the emphasis on manpower and labor basically makes no sense in the 21st century either. Labor intensive industry was already moved to Asia, so the US already has an Asian work force where production actually matters. Many big tech companies only spend a relative small part of their revenue on payroll expenses and in many of these jobs doubling the work hours does not mean doubling the production. Cutting payroll expenses even further basically seems like virtue signaling to the investors – who are always wondering if it isn’t easier to just put their central bank welfare money into one of the many Ponzi’s like real estate.
In general we should wake up to the fact that technology changed a lot. For the most part production was increased using technology in the past 50 years. Even when it comes to the army your technology makes all the difference as long if you don’t want to occupy a country. Take Israel, a tiny country of just a few million people which dominates the entire Middle East with their superior technology.
This article exposes the endlessly recurring contradiction at the core of populism, whether it be of the Trump or Farage variety. The interests of the blue collar voter and the interests of the plutocrats who have managed to self-appoint themselves as political saviours are incommensurable. Vance is the only one who seems to have some awareness around this but I suspect he will soon be brushed aside by by bigger egos.