'The fanatics and barbarians are well and truly within the citadel.' Brent Stirton/Getty Images

Ideology matters far more in the United States than in Europe. Over here, you won’t hear many politicians talking about “this great country of ours” or making pious allusions to God. In Brussels or Wolverhampton, you would simply stare at your shoes and wait for this kind of thing to stop.
The florid, high-pitched, hand-on-heart tone of American political discourse is religious at root. In fact, one can’t understand much about the USA without grasping how very godly the place is. The US and the UK are not only separated by the same language, as George Bernard Shaw commented, but by the question of metaphysics. Americans are more at ease with bulky abstractions such as freedom and divinely ordained rights than the more empirically-minded British. Some wit once remarked that it’s when religion starts to interfere with your everyday life that it’s time to give it up, which captures the British sense of these matters exactly. Religion in Britain rarely takes to the streets, but it does so all the time in the States. People talk about God over there as they talk about Gary Lineker over here. Anglican vicars, however, don’t rant on about the demonic forces controlling the Boy Scout Association as they’re too busy organising the village fete.
There is, of course, a vital historical difference at stake here. The United States is a profoundly Puritan society, and Puritans believe that everyday life should be subordinate to religious faith. Not long ago, it might have seemed that not much remained of this noble doctrine in the land of Las Vegas and Stormy Daniels beyond the high-minded tone that its political rhetoric borrows from the preachers. With the rise of the Maga Right, however, an ugly form of theocracy now threatens to engulf the country.
The Puritans are back in business with a vengeance, not least because they can boast of actually having founded the country. The US is still young enough to feel the vibrations of its revolutionary past, in which the God of Puritanism was on the side of subversion. Like all nations born in anti-colonial struggle, America’s origins are insurrectionary. Violence, dissent, anarchic individualism and a suspicion of state authority are thus built into its very fabric, unlike those parts of the world for which there is conservative order on the one hand and rebellion on the other. Anarchic individualism can always be channelled into the free market; but once that market gives way to the transnational corporation, which smacks of the same kind of absolute sovereignty as Church and monarch once did, it isn’t surprising that symptoms of insurrection should break out afresh.
We manage things rather differently over here. Britain was awash with religious ideology in the 17th century, as Puritan and revolutionary forces clashed with the established order and beheaded the king; but that order had had a long time to entrench itself, and so was able to come to terms with these unruly powers. Hence the legendary English talent for compromise and the middle way. Middle-class entrepreneurs began to marry into the nobility, while the sons of dukes were educated side by side with the sons of merchants in the public schools.
In America, by contrast, there was no such traditional order to temper revolutionary energies. This is one reason why ideology loomed so large, another being that you have to think big in order to make a revolution. This is why the French have far too many ideas, at least in the eyes of some of those in Dorking or East Grinstead. They have concepts while we have common sense. But it’s also because aristocrats find ideology vulgar and unnecessary. Gentlemen don’t need to argue about rights and property and political interests. They just feel these things in their bones.
Hence the great quarrel between Thomas Paine and Edmund Burke at the turn of the 18th century. Paine was deeply involved in both the French and American revolutions, and in his astonishingly popular The Rights of Man is much taken with abstract concepts of freedom and equality. For his part, Burke counters this seditious stuff with custom, habit, piety, tradition, affection and sentiment. If you have to argue about these things, you’ve already betrayed the fact that you don’t understand them. Ideas break skulls, whereas sentiments bind citizens together. An Irishman from a neglected, half-famished colony had to leap to the defence of aristocratic Britain against revolutionary France, just as the Irish had to write much of the nation’s great literature for it.
You might claim, however, that the British could afford to look askance on the abstractions of Robespierre. After all, they themselves had been through this turmoil of revolutionary ideas themselves over a century earlier, and having come through it and settled down to the more sober business of making money had no great wish to be reminded of it. Besides, if you throw up the barricades yourself, you might teach those below you to do much the same. The era of revolution in America and France is also the time when a new actor — the industrial working class — is about to emerge on the political stage, and throughout the 19th century the middle classes lived in fear of this threat to their very existence.
The contrast between Burke and Paine, tradition and ideology, isn’t as clear-cut as either man seems to think. People nowadays use the word “ideology” to mean a system of abstract ideas, as opposed to a more pragmatic approach to political affairs. I see things as they are, you have ideology and he is a fanatic. But ideology isn’t just about ideas. It’s the invisible colour of everyday life, too close to the eyeball to be objectified. It, too, is a question of habit, instinct, custom and sentiment. In the language of Donald Rumsfeld, it’s a question of unknown knowns — things we know but don’t know we do, because they are built into the very framework of our knowledge. Keir Starmer is quite as ideological as Jeremy Corbyn; it’s just that a lot of his ideas are currently accepted as common sense, whereas a lot of Corbyn’s still have to be argued over. Why is the command economy ideological but the right to private property isn’t? Why is it ideological to be nationalistic but not to be patriotic?
On the whole, advanced capitalism is averse to ideology, which is one of the many aspects of Trump which make him so exceptional. The ideal is for the system to work automatically, without relying on anything as chancy as beliefs. As long as you turn up to work, smash a bare minimum of shop widows and don’t try to overthrow the state, you can believe whatever you like. Nobody cares whether you’re a Jain or a Seventh Day Adventist. In fact, nobody even knows what they are. Material interests will always pull rank over visions and principles. Since convictions are a source of conflict, they are generally discouraged. In postmodern culture, convictions are almost equivalent to dogmatism. This is why people say things like “It isn’t necessarily that inequality is being reduced”. They mean that it isn’t being reduced at all, but since that sounds too doctrinaire it’s prudent to add “necessarily”. “It’s like getting worse” is a lot less table-thumping than “It’s getting worse”. Some people in this agnostic climate even have a problem with saying “It’s nine o’clock”.
If you banish ideology, however, the danger is that it will reappear in pathological form, as it is currently doing in the States. We may all be moving back to the 17th century. Men and women don’t just want prosperity and security; they also want recognition. They want to be assured that they are loved and needed, cared about and included. These are not activities at which bureaucratic states and transnational corporations are particularly adept, which is one reason why populism and fascism are on the increase. US Steel can give you wages or supply you with commodities, but they can’t give you meaning. For that you have to turn elsewhere, to sex and sport, snake oil salesmen and aspiring autocrats, crooked preachers and neo-Nazi louts, Hollywood mystics and bent bishops, each of them seeking to out-loony his neighbour. Rampant irrationalism begins to breed at the very heart of technological rationalism. The more reason is reduced to a set of scientific calculations, the more school children are massacred and little green men peer inquisitively in at your bedroom window.
Not long ago, when History was declared to be at an end, the West had rationality while the East had ideology. The question was whether a rather anaemic Western pragmatism and liberalism were tough and resourceful enough to withstand the absolutism of radical Islam, or were they altogether too effete, over-civilised an affair to deal with the likes of Bin Laden. Now, however, the fanatics and barbarians are well and truly within the citadel. As I write, the news comes through that Trump has given the go-ahead for a Jeffrey Epstein Center for Family Values. That’s not true. But in a nation where the line between fact and fantasy becomes ever fainter, it might just happen.
A truly bizarre ramble that is a complete waste of time.
It’s really not that good, Brett
The Western world has been living through the darkest epoch of Woke Puritanism for the past 10 years.
People have been explicitly fired from their jobs and careers because of the color of their skin. And their religious beliefs. And their values. These dark deeds are considered acts of progressive holiness, as the Left sacrifices innocent lives to their Post-Modernist Gods.
Most of us desire a return to Rev. Martin Luther King’s dream of people being judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
But progressives have defined their Woke movement as the judgment and demotion of people by the color of their skin and any other ‘negative’ immutable characteristic listed within the self-serving intersectionality bible that they, themselves, wrote.
In short, progressives have elevated the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem to their highest holy writ, above all else, and have damned rationality and enlightenment to hell.
By so doing, they have the self-satisfaction of ‘winning’ every debate in their own eyes by default, or they aren’t required to engage in a rational debate in the first place. Because of the so-called ‘negative’ characteristics of the person in front of them … rather than doing the hard work of wrestling with the ideas that the person transparently submits for debate.
The progressive Woke movement truly was the death of enlightenment and rationalism within society, in favor of progressive puritanism.
Yes the whole “progressive” movement is actually reactionary.
Isn’t that ironic?
Except… the enlightenment corpse refused to lie down.
I’ve likened religious fervour with neoliberalism before, and it’s becoming ever more plain to see the confluence of mindset.
Exceedingly well said.
I suppose ‘puritanism’ is mistakenly used in place of self-righteousness in this comment, because of the element of intolerance common to both. In America (North) I often heard “Get a life!”, the lack of one seeming to be the most likely motive for some persons being concerned with the business of others. These people who said ‘get a life’ seemed American at grass roots, as it were. If there was a collective of Americans then that was something incidental to their being many individuals. The top down American is something entirely different, arrived at by starting with an idea of what Americans ought to be. Government itself can be viewed as the institutionalisation of this busybody spirit, which also describes the ‘left’ the ‘yankee’ and wokism. I tend to agree with you though. I think the article is a lot of rubbish.
The writer specializes in bin rummaging. You feel like washing your hands after reading his stuff.
I couldn’t quite articulate my reaction to this article so thank you for doing so.
I gathered you like to feel dirty. You are almost uniformly in favor of nothing, and sound like a boozy crank with a mostly nasty comical bent. You are a prime candidate for trashcan master. Clean yourself up.
No, actually the analogy between wokery and Puritanism properly so called is stronger than that: wokery is a secular Calvinism complete with those predestined to be damned, white heterosexual men, and those predestined to be saved, everyone else as righteous victims.
If so, then one could similarly argue that ‘self-righteous’ is also a mistake in place of ‘puritanism’ per your assumed definition.
However, I see both ‘puritanism’ and ‘self-righteous’ as equally applicable as they relate to progressive Wokism.
One of Oxford’s definitions of ‘puritanism’ is “censorious moral beliefs,” and the dominant form of moral censoring and cancellation today is progressive Wokeism.
Group-based value systems – regardless of origination – can take on religiously dogmatic forms, of which the most pernicious today is Wokeism.
I posted a comment that got deleted. Was it for having in it, in hypothesis, the word Yankee? The auto edit has capitalised it here, as it was originally an adjective. Let’s see.
Unherd are useless at what they pretend to be.
And yet the author bangs on about:
With the rise of the Maga Right, however, an ugly form of theocracy now threatens to engulf the country.
Has Eagleton been asleep the past 20 years? It is crystal clear who are engaging in a theocratic campaign, albeit without God.
“Woke” is a fad. A product of liberal arts academics (and their media acolytes) desperately trying to stay relevant amidst the onslaught of STEM. As I write this, woke is already starting to recede and the only question is how far it will recede (and it won’t recede completely).
I’m just happy I couldn’t understand most of the author’s arguments. The language was cumbersome and the analogies missed the mark by a mile.
“They want to be assured that they are loved and needed, cared about and included. These are not activities at which bureaucratic states and transnational corporations are particularly adept, which is one reason why populism and fascism are on the increase.”
What exactly does this statement mean? Is he actually arguing that populism is on the rise because people don’t feel loved and needed by the state? Mind blowing. And where exactly is fasc!sm on the rise? Britain? Germany? China?
he is doing what people on the left typically do when their viewpoint is being rejected – lashing out and being sure to incorporate the various isms to buttress the point. He sits on the side of people who imprison citizens over social media posts while accusing others of being fascists, like the word is something new and he is unaware of its meaning.
I had the same thought. The man used the word “ideology” several times and in several different ways, but without defining it (or them). “Ideology” is not one or more ideas, as he implied, but the marginalization of the very idea of ideas, as in “you have your truth and I have mine.” Ideology is what arises not from the birth of ideas, but from the death of them. This man is contemptuous of ideas while pretending to be a friend of ideas. It is a pose unceasingly easy to see through.
Yes I think it’s good that Unherd has contributions from a diverse range of views, but this article was just ‘off’ in many way. My reading of the US is that it’s the left that are the neo-puritans, insisting that that everyone purify their being of white privilege (the new evil). It’s all a distortion of Christianity, but it’s flavour is Puritan. Meanwhile the right is a mixture of old liberals (in the 10 years ago sense) and nationalists of various shades. It’s definitely the new left where ideology comes before anything else, something the current UK government shares.
He seems unwilling to consider that the state is the fascistic party, as history teaches.
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Lol. The UK’s self-anointed ‘elites’ are bowing at the altar of the Church of Woke, complete with door-to-door Internet Thought Police—Orwell’s Oceania on steroids.
You lost me when you said that a lot of Starmer’s ideas are common sense. Anyway this article didn’t seem to be going anywhere and may be wrong in its basic premise. I suspect we are in for a lot more ideology in the UK in future anyway.
But Starmer’s ideas do make perfect sense – if you’re a Stalinist university professor.
With piles.
He’s a subscriber to the glorious eternal revolution, against which, revolution is an evil act. To him, the terror of the guillotine which has gripped the nations is a holy, righteous, and reasonable fear. Of course he thinks it is common sense.
“Religion in Britain rarely takes to the streets, but it does so all the time in the States.”
LOL, keffir-nazi protests!
‘Religion in Britain rarely takes to the streets’
I beg to differ.
Yes – you wonder where he’s been since October 2023.
Is Trump a puritan? Or is he the fallen backwoodsman renegade who traps beavers, doesn’t go to chapel and rolls into town to drink liquor, brawl and make money, while laughing at the Quakers Shakers and Unitarians busy trying to build a heaven on earth?
“With the rise of the Maga Right, however, an ugly form of theocracy now threatens to engulf the country.” – Is it worth reading further?
No. In fact, I didn’t read it at all. There’s no need after seeing it was Eagleton. I’ve read about ten of his essays. The man is incapable of mountingf a coherent argument that isn’t hopelessly marred by his torpid Marxist invectives and irrelevence. I give him no more opportunities. I’m just here for the comments.
No, it’s not. That’s why I stopped there.
Luckily for the USA the fanatics have lost to the barbarians, for now.
But America has always been susceptible to ‘enthusiasms’. Think Prohibition, the Red Menace, the Civil Rights movement, the War on Terror, #Me Too, BLM. Some good exists within these enthusiasms but it is often overwhelmed by polarisation. So I expect the fanatics to make a comeback, although probably in a different costume.
Insightful comment, thanks. Only I think MAGA, at least at the fanatical level of Trump worship and mass rallygoing, certainly merits a spot on your list of enthusiasms.
*Disappointing, if predictable, that no one who’s voted can look at the face of the side of the coin they’ve (seemingly) hitched their fortunes to.
Are we to pretend that Civil Rights and even Abolition were “enthusiasms” (which is a euphemism for fanaticisms, correct?) while the K K K. Jim Crow, and Stop the Steal mob were not?
Tribal and partisan allegiances become even more blinding when they are stretched back into the past, or robbed of all illuminating distinctions. As if we can observe no difference between the French and American revolutions, or the Civil Rights movement and the destructive riots—in places like Watts and Detroit—or excesses of the black Panthers, that were indirectly connected to that movement.
**I don’t think I’m tribally or ideological sold out, nor a rank partisan. Then again: How many people think that about themselves? I don’t think everyone I’m lumping together for the sake of making my case in less than 1,000 words is sold-out either, but I do think some are, in a mirror image of those they ridicule and despise on the Left. We all tend to be rather more adept at finding the blinds spots in others than in ourselves.
Is Terry Eagleton a nom de plume of AJ Mac? The evidence isn’t quite there — yet.
Again with the cheap shots from a brain where Kat Rosenfield is a “hardcore feminist” and my moderate, tradition-respecting views make me a commie or whatever.
Even you can do better, Jerry. I’ve seen you rise above your lower tendencies at times. But you clearly have something like an obsession with me at this point dude. It’s weird.
Thank you so much. This article really touched my heart. I particularly agree with the last three paragraphs. People want real interaction, sharing, and recognition. We live in a system that simplifies people, and in order to remain authentic in this system, it is necessary to make an unremitting effort. Greetings.
UnHerd – this is definitely a Bot account.
I’ve had two comments deleted. Evidently for including the word ‘y**kee’, once as an adjective and the second as a test as a nun. does y**kee’ pass?
Yang key…
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I kid you not, we fanatics and barbarians wake up every morning wondering what chastisement we can expect from European “literary theorists.” Old Europe’s favorite hobby, it seems — condescending “empirical” commentary from their deathbed.
The hypocrisy is comical:
“Religion in Britain rarely takes to the streets” — with one exception, it seems.
Your politicians™️ eschew “florid” and “high-pitched“ patriotism and religiosity — as if cornering the market on political eunuchs is praiseworthy.
What say your farmers or pensioners about “sentiments binding citizens together”? We wouldn’t know now, would we, since they’d risk committing a crime to voice their opinion.
Sure, leave the vexing “abstract concepts” to us and we’ll leave you to enjoy your Caliphate in being. I’m certain there will be plenty of room for “literary theorists.”
“We manage things rather differently over here.” Thanks for the cautionary note. It’s instructive to watch you talk yourself into the grave.
Slightly overdone. Eagleton’s receptive audience is very small indeed.
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Well said. And then
“People talk about God over there as they talk about Gary Lineker over here.”
Indeed, and Gary Lineker and his paymasters know it. While we laugh at the North Koreans with their Kim Jong Un, we at no different.
The writer is a lefty loon, he hates everybody not of his ideology, just like the progressives snd Democrats in the US.
Do you serioisly think that the silent majority in England will allow a caliphate to survive.
While hanging chads in B-mfu-k, Egypt determine our planetary destiny, yanks don’t like it when others stick it up ‘em
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143
Symbolic 1.7m votes.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143
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Funnily enough, most Christians in the UK are anti- Woke, but unlike Terry Eagleton do believe that their Christianity has a direct bearing on their day to day living.
This is now “all of a sudden” an issue? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Newton’s third law and ask yourself why the US zeitgeist, well the one you’ve read about, is where it is.
Perhaps the desire for decentralization of the federal juggernaut is a driving force to get closer back to the ideals of the constitution.
Because all seeing State has always lead to liberation and fostering of an individual’s free spirit right?
Exactly! The Constitution defines the values of America, a “constitutional republic” which puts the rights of each citizen ABOVE that of the state. We are a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. It’s written into our very first amendment, which puts the freedom of individual speech above that of the state. We are free to have our own thoughts and share ideas, which actually promotes liberty as the highest thoughts will rise in a debated discourse; however, Statism wants to shut down a free discourse of ideas (such as was revealed recently with the “Twitter files”).
I put a comment up her 12 hours ago, critical of this story. It came and went. What’s going on Unherd?
My original comment that disappeared; “a truly bizarre ramble that is a complete waste of time.”
And low and behold the original comment suddenly appears, 12 hours later. Unherd you really are wan@#rs.
In the current climate here you can’t really blame them for being careful. People are being investigated and imprisoned for some pretty trivial things.
Same has happened to some comments I have posted – it is so frustrating. I write in and ask for someone to show me what was offensive about it. I get a reply but that question is ignored and hours later the comment has re-appeared. Very annoying indeed.
I got the exact same result. They respond courteously but with no specifics and they won’t answer direct questions about what was off-limits, subject to review, or whether comments can be quarantined (usually for some multiple of 6 hours) for unpopularity alone; I’m now certain they can.
I asked why I couldn’t manage my subscription manually. Answer was just contact us and we’ll be happy to help. But no addressing the question itself. They’re actually worse in contact terms than most other of sites. Obviously they are not the magazine they pretend, quite poorly, to be.
So did I but mine never showrd up at all.
The next step is a revolution and national divorce. Let people like Eagleton wallow in their ugly, crime-ridden “woke” utopias. No one will be left to ruin their fun. Everyone wins.
Except, if everyone is “woke,” who will Eagleton pontificate to? Who will he sneer at? These woke fanatics foul their own bed just so the ‘Fox News watching’ neighbours can smell the fumes. But when the neighbours move out, they get all puffed up and indignant – which is what this piece is really about.
He’ll do what leftists always do: move further left so he can sneer at the people who are slightly to the right of him.
We regularly see religious demonstrations on the streets of the UK. Unfortunately it’s not our religion demonstrating- witness Batley where a reacher was driven into hiding by a religious mob. Regularly mobs rampaging through London shouting for jihad etc.
Somehow Eagleton is blind to these events. The level of blinkeredness is truly remarkable.
We need to remember our historical religious history and rediscover our Christianity that can be seen on architecture if we care to look – “fear of he Lord is the beginning of all learning” one of my favourites. Refusal to believe leads to the focus on the self and Laws allowing mothers to kill their children, homosexuality and transfaggotry taught in schools, undermining of the family. Eventually to stupidity of woke DEI and stasi oppressor free speech. It’s not difficult to see this but there’s too much money at stake in the “just do it” ever morally corrosive fake social media fantasy world. God has always been the answer.
We manage things rather differently over here.
You certainly do and it’s nothing to be proud of.
It’s unfortunate that both Left and Right here use Puritanism as a negative foil for their arguments:
1- America is certainly more religious than Europe because the pace of faith’s decline here is slower than it has been in Europe. Europe’s secularism is nothing to be proud of, and is a sign of its more general decline.
2- Puritanism is not similar to either religiosity or national idealism. The actual Puritans were strict and dogmatic, but not evangelistic or imposing on others outside their community. They aimed to be the shining city on the hill, to be emulated examples, not conquerors. By contrast, Progressive Puritanism as expressed by DEI and cancel culture is dogmatic but imperial and authoritarian in its ambitions. Its not really fair to call Progressivism Puritan; it’s more accurate to call it an imperial political cult.
3-It’s silly to suggest that having strongly imbued idealism and patriotic fervor grounded in a specific set of (secular yet religiously grounded) ideals is “Puritan”. Though the notion that these ideals have religious foundations is itself sadly controversial amongst Americans.
Not really correct. For Burke the workings of the world were too complex to be amenable to human reason. Hence the resort to pragmatism – if it works then don’t mess with it.
This differs from ideology where the holder believes that they can make sense of the world and this gives them the right to make prescriptions.
I became irritated when populism was used in the same sentence as fascism.The two are far from the same. Populism: The will of the majority, democracy in action.Fascism : Let’s not go there, ever..
What a horseshit screed, I stopped reading a few paragraphs in.
Rough.
“it’s when religion starts to interfere with your everyday life that it’s time to give it up”
So that’s ‘our NHS’ for the knacker’s yard then. Vote Reform.
Ironic, when, in the West, ‘[f]ollowing the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325 construction of a hospital in every cathedral town was begun …’, [wiki ].
And now they have become mechanics with a mechanical problem, with spanners not being enough.
Confidently wrong as usual Terry. We have been living in the worst age of woke Puritanism in America and the UK, this moment is actually a push back against puritans. Also, anyone that thinks ‘we’ don’t take to the streets over religion in the UK would want to have a look at London over the last year.
If you banish ideology, however, the danger is that it will reappear in pathological form, as it is currently doing in the States.
I dunno, Terry. Last time I checked, we haven’t sent anyone to prison for mean tweets, nor have police been showing up at the homes of journalists to threaten them over, what do you guys call it?, oh – I remember: Non-Crime Hate Incidents.
Just say it out loud: You are under investigation for committing a non-crime hate incident.
That sounds like the very definition of pathological ideology. You’re way ahead of us, but maybe you just don’t see it.
Yes I think you’re correct. The ideology came via the US left (partly from France), and is more extreme in some parts of the US (you just need to look at Libs of TikTok on X), but we in the UK have kowtowed to it more thoroughly across our government, civil service and organisations.
I think the biggest difference is that we in the US have the first amendment – in written form. I confess, I do not have a deep understanding of what constitutes the British constitution, but I am certain you do not have anything like our first amendment. It has tremendous downsides – I recall as a child learning about Nazis marching in Skokie, Illinois. Does it protect pornography? I say no – it is meant to protect political speech. But, taking the bad with the good, I wouldn’t give it up. I see what is happening in the UK as the ‘frog in the pot of cold water being heated’ happening in real time.
Mind numbing stupidity from an academic who wallows in doctrinaire hand ringing. The purity spiral is all yours Terry. We just want to be left alone
As always, it depends where one chooses to begin the story. Mr. Eagleton opts for the English Civil Wars, setting up the deus ex machina of the libertarian Dutch Stadtholder William of Orange. This neatly skips over, among other things, the vast centralization of monarchical power under Henry VII, the latter’s neutering of the nobility and the popularity of the Star Chamber as a royal policy towards achieving “English compromise.” None of which is necessarily ideological but nor is it “common sense.” I applaud Mr. Eagleton’s battle, but this piece does neither him nor the battle justice. Once again we learn that Trump derangement syndrome is real – and a real waste of time.
> As I write, the news comes through that Trump has given the go-ahead for a Jeffrey Epstein Center for Family Values. That’s not true. But in a nation where the line between fact and fantasy becomes ever fainter, it might just happen.
Ha! Thanks for not letting me dangle for more than the half a second during which I believed that. Indeed, nothing is impossible anymore.
With the rise of the Maga Right, however, an ugly form of theocracy now threatens to engulf the country.
Oh, my! How so, asks the reader. To which the writer spends the next several hundred words not responding. If the author seeks puritans, particularly those of an ideological bent, he might want to look leftward. There one finds a cult that brooks no deviation from its orthodoxy and willingly casts as heretics long-time members who question just one aspect of the dogma. Projection, thy name today is Terry.
Paraphrasing H.L. Mencken:
Neo-Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere might be having fun!
I’d suggest that today’s Puritans just got voted out of office and that we have something of a Restoration (to sanity) going on.
But, as with the Stuart Restoration of 1660, a lot of work yet remains to be done.
He said “more empirically-minded British” and I fell out the window.
The first sentence gives it away: “Ideology matters far more in the United States than in Europe.” How utterly unaware and stupid!
I’ve waited over fifty years for evidence supporting Hugh Everett’s theories on the Multiverse.
With tears in my eyes as I write this, we now have proof.
Unquestionably, this report by Terry Eagleton on “America’s Puritans” describes a nation unrecognizable to me as the one in which I live. Clearly, either he’s reporting from a parallel Universe, or I’ve sideslipped into his.
For the next few days I’ll have to conduct some research to see who sideslipped into who’s reality.
Sorry, totally wrong.
The Puritan descendants are the woke elites who’ve been persecuting everyone else for the last 15 years. The people coming with Trump to bust that up are the descendants of the early Scotch-Irish, the Catholic Irish, Italian, German, and Polish immigrants of the early 20th century, and the Catholic and Evangelical Hispanic immigrants of the late 20th century.
The “woke elites” can best be compared to those in Salem who suspected everyone of MAGAism….er, witchcraft.
Any such up-and-down distinction, including your own fair-enough inversion, is too simplified to be true in any robust sense. Many so-called WASP descendants of the earliest English settlers went for Trump.
An insightful article. Yet while your observations are astute and profound in theory, that “colour of life so close to the eye” that it is a “known unknown” comes across to everyone who has been living in this “common sense” world of yours as your own “unknown unknown.” It is true what you say about Americans in general, and the interwoven nature of the national culture. But this is not unique to traditionally religious people. In fact, in some ways, it is less characteristic of religious people today than it ever has been.
If you haven’t noticed, the United States (and much of the rest of the world) has been suffering a revolution for the last decade or so, ironically enough, referred to by Andrew Doyle as the “New Puritanism,” in which a new orthodoxy constructed around identity politics and neo-metaphysics was attempting a ham-fisted takeover of everything it could touch, from sports to work and daycare to Dr. Who. So while you’ve heard that the rise of Trump is the rise of fascism and a retreat into the past, most of us see it as a ringing indictment of the ideology that has had us in a nearly literal chokehold up until now. That is to say, in many ways, the weaponization of the idea that the greatest achievable evil is that which is spoken.
We feel relief and hope following Trump’s triumph. In fact, so do some of your fellow Europeans. Unfortunately, the fact that you, Mr. Eagleton, have been living with this ideology so close to they eye, means that half of this article remains unwritten. I highly recommend you read Mr. Doyle’s “The New Puritans,” and revisit the subject.
What unites the anywheres of cosmopolitanism = ideological equality and freedom.
What unites the somewheres of communitarianism = sustainability, resilience and sufficiency.
Bureaucratic states and transnational corporations that are centred on ideological equality and freedom will use cosmopolitan rationalism to foremost support their own anywhere preservation which breeds contempt for communitarian notions of sustainability, resilience and sufficiency.
Bureaucratic states and transnational corporations that are centred on sustainability, resilience and sufficiency will use communitarian rationalism to foremost support their own somewhere preservation which breeds contempt for cosmopolitan notions of equality and freedom.
The former seeks diffuse transnational dependencies managed by diffuse transnational institutions but is unable to guarantee national sustainability, resilience and sufficiency to the extent they can be achieved via technological innovation and growing resource scarcity.
The latter seeks national sustainability, resilience and sufficiency but is unable to guarantee transnational equality and freedom to the extent they can be achieved via technological innovation and growing resource scarcity.
Which is more likely to ecologically persist in the face of technological innovation and growing resource scarcity. Communitarian rationalism underpined by national sustainability, resilience and sufficiency or cosmopolitan rationalism underpinned by transnational equality and freedom?
America “Like all nations born in anti-colonial struggle”? It wasn’t, unless native americans achieved a comeback? For a mixed bag of people so fresh ftom colonising to adopt the mantle of “oppressed” is ridiculous. The US had an intracolonial tiff with the now UK and parted ways. It then got on with colonising more over its western frontier. Ah! but we’re all of irish heritage! Nope – that doesn’t wash either.
At long last, a Terry Eagleton article I actually enjoyed reading (quite entertaining and readable) and almost managed to agree with !
But, as ever, there are parts that just seem ridiculous.
The final paragraph is laughable. Anyone who sees Trump as ideological and not a pragmatist needs to “check his thinking”.
As others have noted, he has a complete blind spot for the puritan totalitarianism of the woke agenda.
And his claim that the US is about to be taken over by a puritanical religious fanaticism (supposedly from “MAGA”) is absurd.
It seems certain that an academic of his age and standing has spent significant time in the US. Whether he’s actually understood that much about the country is another matter. In some cases, he clearly has. But he seems – once again – blinded by his own ideology. Too late to change for dear old Terry now.
MLK was not WOKE. From his speech, August 1963, “ we must not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever contact our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. —— will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual-Free, Free at last”
WOKE forbids holding hands ( unless woke to woke) however, it holds hands with bureaucrats, global corporations, government institutions, foundations, institutions of higher education, enabling it with laws and Supreme Court decisions ( conservative courts ) to force its desire changes on our society.
I believe most of my fellow citizens fail to understand what woke is——-how it works——— and that it’s here to stay. There is good in woke. Somehow, we must salvage the good and counter the Kunzu weed like suffocating of our countries, traditional values of tolerance, morality, individual freedom, separation of private and public, and the vital concept that the government defining morality is wrong.
WOKE in this country started in 1964, following Martin Luther King speech, 1963 ( there are earlier woke occurrences not discussed here )
The Civil Rights Act July 1964 has been expanded over the years broader and wider via court decisions and guidance documents from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Anti-Discrimination Lawsuits and a multitude of government agencies and sub departments. Check EEOC.GOV.
In 1998 the Supreme Court approved the position that employers were forced to create in their work place a WOKE “Culture of compliance”. It was the start of woke enforcement by employers fearful of anti discrimination lawsuits.
Further expansion of WOKE under Title IX gave university’s the go ahead to expand the length and width of the WOKE movement around sex discrimination and regulations to include a TOTAL WOKE ATMOSPHERE
WOKE is not enforced by our government. It is enforced by our neighbors and acquaintances using Culture Cancel, by employers, private sector influencers-MGAs in every area from Sports and education to International relationships and globalism. Must not overlook the vast majority of churches.
The EEOC Training Institute provides both public and private sectors with moral and civic education, including diversity training, and the multitude of legal requirements they deal with ( 1999 they Supreme Court held for diversity training, once again a conservative court ) .
Trump just might slow down WOKEs colonialism. Hopefully he’ll terminate the State Dept. Bureau of Population Refugees, the foundation of Biden‘s open border policy. Best leave all of that up to our European friends who have done such a better job.
In any case, we will be better off with King Donald than Queen LaLa
I’m not sure your history is really on target. Wokeness as such has highjacked a lot of the machinery the Civil Rights movement set up, but really didn’t exist until “theory” in the sense of Derrida got loose from literary criticism and started influence legal thought. It is more virulent version of the “political correctness” of the leftist opposition to Reagan in the 1980’s, and even if the short-hand name is derived from an old pre-MLK Civil Rights activist’s remark “stay woke” (meaning aware), it really has its roots in Derrida, the Frankfurt School’s “cultural Marxism”, and the writings of anti- and post-colonialist thinkers who bought Lenin’s (provably wrong) imperialism theory. I don’t think it could have taken hold had MLK not been assassinated, as if the Civil Rights movement had remained rooted in his Christian humanism and continued to appeal to common humanity as a basis for overcoming racism, woke nonsense would not have found fertile ground in which to grow.
What planet does Eagleton file his reports from? It’s not one I recognize. He writes “an ugly form of theocracy now threatens to engulf the country.” It is unusual to see this degree of hysteria in a man not gender fluid. Two questions: Where do you find these people? And how many cats does he have?
Terry, you’ve lost the plot but not surprising because the whole UK elite has too…..remarkable castigation of our ‘closest ally too’. You just can’t accept democracy can you? I hope that Starsism is merely the straw that will will destroy the UK’s two party snare and allow rebuilding. We need it before everyone who dares to speak is sectioned with mental health issues and is overcome with state kindness in their assisted suicide.
Mention a certain god or ideology in Wolverhampton or Brussels, you are liable to suffer a lot more than indifference.
A rather a late in the day and self delusional attempt at rationalising a set of inconvenient truths.
The question is: who is living in La La Land? Terry Eagleton or the commenters?
I know which side my money is on.
“Religion in Britain rarely takes to the streets” is not quite accurate ….Christianity rarely takes to the streets. The reference to Gary Lineker is equally bizarre – The American Bible Belt has its oddities and eccentricities but I doubt they go about saying “God is great – when he sticks to football. But he is really annoying on migration and trans rights and ought to remember who pays his wages.” The puritans have returned indeed but they are mostly on the radical left.
When I read this kind of stuff I truly wonder at how determinedly blinkered some people are.
Eagleton.
A long tradition, then, of Leftist academics casting about for complicated work arounds for avoiding saying what is obvious to nearly everyone.
That is – The meaning that the Left offers is thin and unsustaining compared with the meaning that can be derived from themes on the Right.
Country / soil / identity, God (Actual God, not post modern gods), venerating nationhood, ‘Freedom’, and trusting one’s common sense, and WRT Burke here, accepting people for the corruptable and potentially weak willed creatures we can be without the correct support from institutions and our little platoons.
This is the most long winded, erroneous confused rant I’ve read in a while. The last four years in US was the time of the fanatics, the zealots, cancel culture, rampant censorship, the surreal attempted redefinition of basic biology, the politicization of Science (e.g Scientific America editor just quit because of blatant political posturing). An insane and misguided ideology was sent packing this November. The attempted control of language and the notion of hate speech (speech they hate as Elon Musk calls it) was pure Mao Tse Tung and as far from the American notion of free speech as it gets. Even humour was and still is politicized from Stewart to Colbert. The sooner this dark age ended the better for everyone.
I think Eagleton’s argument with Amis a while back has shaped the thinking of much of the modern liberal intelligentsia. It was a false dichotomy with Eagleton supposedly representing decency and Christianity, while he was really representing a fundamentally universalist Marxism. You can see how the modern commentator class are now so confused about modern politics, seeing ideology in small c conservatism (valuing the roots of our civilisation, that ended slavery etc etc), and yet being entirely blind to the huge elephant of ideology they have swallowed (I apologise to elephants as they are generally both decent creatures in my experience).
Sensible comments in the main. But you find no ideological tendency among present-day self-declared traditionalists? That seems like a mirror-image blind spot.
I’m in sympathy with others who value roots and tradition. But radicalism also claims the root, just as fundamentalism claims the bedrock. How can you associate abolitionism with conservatism of any kind, instead of faith and Bible-inspired activism?
There’s always room for elephants, albeit in a truncated kind of way.
But seriously, ideology itself is the problem, whether religious or political. Once we can find a way to divest ourselves of the ideological mindset will be the day we start to truly understand ourselves.
I’m with you on that. Any specific recommendations?
Unfortunately, another nonsensical shill post by Eagleton, and pretentiously boring as always. UnHerd, please find someone else who actually can argue a point and start some great conversation. Not this guy, who is so predictably close-minded and clueless about how the world works. Please!
MAGA’s rise is rooted in economic and cultural frustration, not religious zealotry. Americans, particularly in the Rust Belt and other industrial regions, grew weary of being disparaged by a Democratic leadership that called them “clingers” (Obama), “deplorables” (Clinton), and “garbage” (Biden). Over nearly two decades, this rhetoric conveyed a deep-seated contempt for working-class voters. MAGA, far from being a radical ideology, was a reaction to the disdain heaped upon working men and women by a party increasingly beholden to wokery, DEI policies and technocratic elites.
At its core, MAGA tapped into the grievances of those left behind by globalization and deindustrialization, compounded by a cultural elite that dismissed their values and concerns. It was a backlash against a condescending managerial class, which is now the bread and butter of the Democratic Party.
There were solid reasons to oust the Democrats from office, grounded in economic dislocation, cultural alienation, and a justifiable distrust of the managerial state. As the exit polls showed, the labouring classes, once the Democratic base, are now gravitating away, searching for a voice that better reflects their struggles.
Remarkably, Eagleton overlooks this.
A tedious article made bearable by some classic burns from the readers. Well played many of you!
Wow, article is verbose and thoroughly vegan.
Oh please, what a long winded bag of poop:
Apparently the author hasn’t heard of gender junk or sexual operations on minors that are the cause celeb of Democrats. But I guess the author thinks those obnoxious men (XYx) intimidating and erasing women, and sterilizing children are the antithesis of a puritan or is not “an ugly form of theocracy”. Gross.
A gross and groundless article.
Pretty funny, Europe is a lot more ideological than the us. Just look at the last election. It’s all about the economy. This guy has serious blinkers or he’s a troll.
The problem for Prof. Eagleton here is that the United States has never embraced his very British creed of democratic socialism. The creed of the Puritan settlers bifurcated into liberal and conservative world views instead.
It’s a rather pedestrian British Leftist slant on North American culture. He’s better having a chat with Professor Peterson about such matters.
Lookng at the comments here leads to wonder how many of the commenters are based in St Petersburg.
So…is non-ideological pragmatism why the British have just blandly acquiesced to an Orwellian regime that punishes bad tweets with prison time?
I’ll stay with the Puritans on this one.
Eagleton has what just happened completely backward. The reelection of Trump was a repudiation of the joyless Puritans of our age, the tedious woke with their secularized Calvinism of predestined irredeemable sinners (light skinned hetrosexual men of European ancestry) and equally predestined righteous victims of oppression (everyone else). That Harris, selected precisely for her righteous victimhood as a “woman of color”, made “Joy” the theme of her campaign until she fell back on hurling the by-now-meaningless pejorative “fascist”, was particularly absurd. Anyone familiar with the stereotype referenced knows that J.D. Vance’s remark about “childless cat ladies” was spot on.
Puritans in the U.S.
You should focus on your own problem with mass Muslim immigration.
“To preach deliverance to the captives.”
Luke 4:18
“None but Jesus can give deliverance to captives. Real liberty cometh from him only. It is a liberty righteously bestowed; for the Son, who is Heir of all things, has a right to make men free. The saints honour the justice of God, which now secures their salvation. It is a liberty which has been dearly purchased. Christ speaks it by his power, but he bought it by his blood. He makes thee free, but it is by his own bonds. Thou goest clear, because he bare thy burden for thee: thou art set at liberty, because he has suffered in thy stead. But, though dearly purchased, he freely gives it. Jesus asks nothing of us as a preparation for this liberty. He finds us sitting in sackcloth and ashes, and bids us put on the beautiful array of freedom; he saves us just as we are, and all without our help or merit. When Jesus sets free, the liberty is perpetually entailed; no chains can bind again. Let the Master say to me, “Captive, I have delivered thee,” and it is done forever. Satan may plot to enslave us, but if the Lord be on our side, whom shall we fear? The world, with its temptations, may seek to ensnare us, but mightier is he who is for us than all they who be against us. The machinations of our own deceitful hearts may harass and annoy us, but he who hath begun the good work in us will carry it on and perfect it to the end. The foes of God and the enemies of man may gather their hosts together, and come with concentrated fury against us, but if God acquitteth, who is he that condemneth? Not more free is the eagle which mounts to his rocky eyrie, and afterwards outsoars the clouds, than the soul which Christ hath delivered. If we are no more under the law, but free from its curse, let our liberty be practically exhibited in our serving God with gratitude and delight. “I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.” “Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?” CH Spurgeon (an Englishman)
Bizarre piece of rubbish; grand generalities pulled only from some of the loudest voices